Gibson sues Dean Guitars over alleged trademark infringement

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  1. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    Edit: I wonder what would happen if Gibby spent the resources they're devoting to this pipe dream on something like lobbying for better international intellectual property enforcement or perhaps better import customs enforcement? You know, combating actual counterfeits.....
     
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  2. RTH

    RTH Moderator Staff Member

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    Henry J. - no one can tarnish Gibson's image more than me!

    Curleigh - hold my soy latte...and get Agnesi in here!
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    "Why is it a penny for your thoughts but you have to put your two cents in? Somebody’s making a penny."
    Anyone ever see James Curleigh and Steven Wright in the same place at the same time? Just wonderin'......
     
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    Shadow Explorer Well-Known Member

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    I really really dislike this guy, but I think his assumptions are correct on this one, given the facts he states are true.
     
  5. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    Apparently, this all started under King Henry but got side tracked.

    TL;DW. I can handle him for 5-10 minutes, but almost an hour? No thanks.


    Hilarious, but don't watch it at work. Language gets a bit salty.
     
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  6. Shadow Explorer

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    I can't stand trogly either, he has some good stuff, but he is too much of a fan boy, his face seem to be very punchable though! :naughty:Toneking is still the worst of the worst to me. A hoarder with no substance.

    I watch guitar channels less and less, don't need any brand bunnies/influencers in my life. Once reviews become a paying gig... :rolleyes:

    What the hoarder said in the video is concerning, otherwise I wouldn't even think about sharing it here.
     
  7. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    Trogly occasionally gets some cool stuff through, but I agree on the fan boy bit. I'd rather watch Dave's World of Fun Stuff, or stuff from the Anderton's crew (Not Danish Pete though, he's been getting annoying lately.) I know what Anderton's is, so I factor that into what I take away.

    Toneking just plain sucks.
     
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  8. Cozmik Cowboy

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    Or maybe - and I may be talking crazy here - something like building quality guitars at reasonable prices????????

    Had I but a metric shitload of money, I'd buy Gibson and give the trademarks to Heritage...........
     
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    I've got a clue why you don't have that metric load.
     
  10. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    No, you're right, that's crazy. :cheers:

    <sarcasm>
    Gibson is a "prestige" brand don'cha know? If they started doing that the proles might get their grubby mitts on them and dilute the elite nature of the brand? Next you'd want clean air, education, and health care at affordable prices! Madness!
    </sarcasm>

    Why do any of that when you can just hire a bunch of lawyers?
     
  11. Cozmik Cowboy

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    I try not to be overtly political here, but you appear to have sussed me out.......:dude:

    (For the record - I'm a Marxist, of the Groucho school)
     
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    DaveInSoCal Well-Known Member

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    Call me a "fan boy" too I guess. I own more than a few Gibsons and I love them, they are fantastic. Of course they are not custom shop, just off the rack that I got for a good price before 2019 so I'm very happy.
    Call me a Fender fan boy too because I have a couple of Strats that I absolutely love.

    Gibson does build quality guitars at reasonable prices, they also build quality guitars at exorbitant prices. As far as quality goes, it's only as good as the quality inspectors. One thing that does piss me off though is selling a $1300 - $1400 guitar with a crappy gig bag! For that price give me a decent case at least!
    Fender does the same thing which totally sux! :mad:

    Anyway, I'm probably on my way to becoming a hoarder so I need to chill out on buying guitars.

    Like that will happen! :rofl:
     
  13. Paruwi

    Paruwi Kraut-Rocker Staff Member

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    http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gibson-says-it-is-pivoting-from-confrontation-to-collaboration/

    GIBSON Says It Is Pivoting From Confrontation To Collaboration

    July 1, 2019 25 Comments

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    Since emerging from bankruptcy less than a year ago, Gibson has made significant progress in the key areas that matter most to guitarists around the world. With a clear focus on quality, a new collection of original and modern guitars, and a more confident dealer and artist base, the new team at Gibson have proven they can listen to the market to create new solutions. But there is still more work to be done and the new team at Gibson remain on a mission.

    While new management is building on the legacy, quality and craftsmanship that guitarists have come to love and expect from Gibson, they will also continue to manage and attempt to resolve the conflicts of the past.

    Apart from inheriting an iconic brand, the team have also inherited a host of challenges that they realized would take time to achieve proper resolution. A clear challenge has been in the area of brand protection, where a legacy of legal issues exist with both legitimate companies in the industry infringing on iconic trademarks and with illegitimate entities attempting to counterfeit, "knock off" and pretend to be Gibson in the market.

    Over the past eight months, the team have successfully dealt with over 4,500 counterfeit and "knock-off" guitars coming from overseas that were clearly designed to confuse the consumer into thinking they were buying a real Gibson. Since November (2018), there have been dozens of counterfeit web site "take-downs," also designed to confuse the guitarist into thinking they were entering a legitimate, official web site. On a weekly basis, Gibson receives multiple queries and concerns from guitarists mislead into purchasing what they thought was a genuine Gibsonthat turned out to be counterfeit. Unfortunately, this is a very real dynamic that brands, like Gibson and other iconic brands, need to deal with on a regular basis. The main area of brand protection on these types of issues is with trademark ownership, understanding, and assertion. Hence Gibson's recent attempts to communicate its position, which was predominantly focused on these rogue overseas players in the market. If left unchecked, these situations can lead to continued consumer confusion and can ultimately affect the integrity of an entire industry.

    Recently, there has been a wide spectrum of both support and criticism with the approach that has been taken by Gibson in the market regarding brand protection. While there are clear lessons to be learned around tone and legal explanations, the past few weeks have provided a real-time opportunity for Gibson to start making the pivot from less legal leverage to more industry collaboration, with appropriate levels of awareness.

    With regards to other guitar brands and companies in the marketplace, Gibson has filed specific lawsuits over the past several years with the intention of protecting its original trademark(s) rights and to avoid consumer confusion in the market. All of the recent attention on the few lawsuits in process stem from several years of legal action initiated well before the new leadership arrived in November of 2018. With specific regards to the inherited and ongoing legal dynamic with Dean Guitars, the new Gibson team have made several attempts to communicate with them directly to avoid a prolonged legal battle. Gibson has genuine intentions of constructive resolution that could be beneficial to both sides.

    This recent situation has led the team to re-evaluate their approach going forward with the intention of finding more constructive solutions to managing brand protection in the industry. Over the past few weeks, Gibson has made significant progress in reducing counterfeit "attacks" and they have entered into creative collaboration agreements with key boutique guitar makers and other related industry parties. A clear indication of their intentions going forward.

    "I am proud of the progress we have made with our attention to quality, with the launch of the new collections, and with our renewed engagement to our Gibson authorized dealer base. At the same time, we acknowledge there are still legacy challenges to solve going forward, especially around brand protection and market solutions," says James "JC" Curleigh, the new president and CEO of Gibson. "It is time to make the modern-day shift from confrontation towards collaboration, whilst still protecting our brands, and we are committed to making this happen starting now."
     
  14. RTH

    RTH Moderator Staff Member

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    I saw this last night. They are full of BS. This is little more than damage control after losing the case in the EU. What they are really saying is that they are proceeding as planned, but in the future they will refrain from publicly announcing their litigation. Meet the new boss, just as much of a jag off as the old boss.
     
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    Paruwi Kraut-Rocker Staff Member

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    If you can't fight them - friend them
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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    RTH Moderator Staff Member

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    The "Play Authentic" pushback videos on YouTube have been great.

    Should i tape over my Epiphone headstock logos?
     
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    Seriously, though, what were they thinking when they put Agnesi in front of the camera and then later announced they were suing Dean? That we'd all cheer and revel in the blood of their competitor? I think that Gibson assumes that we hold as much contempt for other brands as we do for Gibson. We don't. Not even close. The only thing Gibson accels at anymore is alienating their customer base.
     
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    True that, maybe the video coincided with the news, but still that shows that they are continuing Henry's half done deals.
    And Henry at least made a couple of sevenstrings to cater to my niche...

    I hope Gibson looses every case they are involved with, even the V and Explorer ones, that I believe they are in the right to do so. I just can't stand for what they do (along with fender which I dislike anyways)
     
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    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    Holy Puff Piece Batman!
    Did Gibby's P.R. department shop that around to be published or what?
     
  20. RTH

    RTH Moderator Staff Member

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    A lot of words that say a lot of nothing. Typical lawyer speak.
     
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