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Discussion in 'Epiphone Guitars' started by BGood, Jul 7, 2018.
Anybody saw one like this before ? For sale in my neighborhood.
Never seen one but beautiful.
No, but I've seen a Fender go the other way.
Doc, you have a PM.
I don't in which parallel universe these exist but I for sure don't want to live there!^^
No, never seen such an Epi....
Why? I like the "Troublemaker". I think that's how I'd build one given the chance. I even like the color.
I cannot stand the pickguard, 1 because it exists, 2 because of the way it ends before the bridge pup, -> OCD alarm code red...
Other than that, I think it's slightly weird but ok.
It's minimal compared to the Tele Deluxe, but it's right where it needs to be. I'm not big on the fact that it's white, but that's my only real complaint.
I've never seen such a thing, but the condition in those pics doesn't add up with the age I'd associate with that truss rod cover in many (but not all) cases. That TRC does mean it predates the CDM models though which would be my first instinct for a guitar spec'd that weirdly if produced recently.
The bridge angle, as well as some of the body shaping (that could just be the angle of the photos) and the shape of the top of the headstock (again, could be the angle but I don't think so for that one) look a bit off to me.
I'd wager if that was a legit Epiphone that production features such as that particular truss rod cover mean someone would have known much more about it a long time ago.
What's the listing say about it?
I tracked down the ad which states the following:
Modèle à l’état neuf, fabriqué à l’usine Epiphone de Unsung en Corée. Guitare jamais mise sur le marché. Les Paul avec 3 single coils. Sonne très bien. Payée 750$, vends 550$... trop de guitares.
Translation: Mint condition, made in the Unsung factory in Korea. Model never made it to market. Les Paul with three single coils. Sounds very good. Paid $750. Selling for $550... too many guitars.
All pictures from the ad attached. I'm supper iffy on this, if only based on the condition and truss rod cover combination...but it actually doesn't look totally bad?
$_562 by LSAR posted Jul 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM
$_563 by LSAR posted Jul 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM
$_561 by LSAR posted Jul 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM
$_560 by LSAR posted Jul 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM
$_59 by LSAR posted Jul 8, 2018 at 6:38 AM
The serial number is certainly strange, but maybe would correspond with a prototype? Do we have legit examples to compare?
Edit to add: The seller is also listing an Elitist Sheraton, an LP Deluxe, an Alleykat, and a Sorento Ri. that I see no reason to question...which indicates he may know a thing or two about Epi's to see a fake or significant difference in quality on his own.
On the other hand, I know you've got a natural finished LP Ultra I, which, outside our having both played it proof of existence for such a guitar is fairly minimal and I'd be quite confident saying it's legit.
Nice detective work LSAR.
But there is something else. This exact same guitar was discussed on ESG in June 2016. Look at the grain left of the pickup switch, identical.
A guy bought it new in Korea for $140 British Pounds, from this shop : http://www.schoolmusic.co.kr/Shop/index.php3?page=2&var=GoodList&large_number=1&middle_number=494
I just wrote the seller to ask how he acquired it.
He answered, same guitar. Here's his translated answer.
I bought it on ebay last summer. The guitar still had the plastics on the pickups. It was posted on ebay and Reverb. The seller was in Korea. When I received it, I sent pictures to Epiphone. It was confirmed to me that it was indeed an Epiphone but a model that had never passed the marketing stage. The guy even told me that it could be a prototype proposed by the Unsung factory and not ordered by Epiphone. That said, there are not many on the market.
Too bad I'm not a single coil guy, because I might have jumped on it, if only for it's rarity.
I think the Troublemaker is very cool, I really like it.
I have one of those messed up ones with an identity crisis!
My recently acquired Squier M-80. Strat'ish body with LP controls!
Could this Epi be a result of factory employees messing around with different bodys routes etc?
Well this is deja vu, but in jgriffter's thread about his PR350CE with the brass saddle, I said that prototypes have been known to make it into the wild. This seems a bit too wacky to be a fake.
Odd that a prototype would have a serial number, isn't it?
Most Gibby prototypes are stamped as prototypes, at least those in the wild.
Bjorn Gelotte's white LP custom didn't had any serial,or at least I couldn't see it, when he first appeared with the guitar.
Thus my assumption that it might be the employees having fun?
The other possibility is that they just grabbed a neck from production?
Anyone who knows the inner workings of the factory might be able to shed some light.
Very nice what are they asking for it? I would be interested, do they have a for sale posting somewhere?