Digger
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Indeed I’m not!
CoVid-19 Thread.
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Raiyn
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That was the overarching goal of the vaccination - keeping folks out of the hospital by preventing severe illness.
I'm sorry he caught it, but I'm very happy it's a mild case.
Digger
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I sincerely hope he is alright and makes a full recovery. My thoughts are with you and your family.
Digger
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So Victoria is about to reach 80% of it’s population (over 12) double vaxxed! At the current rate, we will reach 90% later in November. Friday most restrictions here will be relaxed and the following week some more go and we we will fully open later in November retaining all but a few common sense restrictions. It’s been a bloody long haul!
Requiring people to be fully vaxxed before working or participating in many things seems to have caused the turn around. We have to prove our vaccination status where ever we go but that protects us, so is fine.
Requiring people to be fully vaxxed before working or participating in many things seems to have caused the turn around. We have to prove our vaccination status where ever we go but that protects us, so is fine.
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Raiyn
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Here, we get people whining about "Muh Freedumz" and "This is 'Murica" etc. all while portraying themselves as moral authorities. That's just the minority party politicians mind you, the base they pander to is much worse.
Raiyn
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From the New York Times:
Can the Vaccinated Develop Long Covid After a Breakthrough Infection?
While the vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and death, the risk of developing post-Covid health problems after a breakthrough infection isn’t known.
By Tara Parker-Pope
Published Aug. 16, 2021Updated Aug. 26, 2021
While some breakthrough cases among those who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 are inevitable, they are unlikely to result in hospitalization or death. But one important question about breakthrough infection that remains unanswered is: Can the vaccinated develop so-called long Covid?
Long Covid refers to a set of symptoms — such as severe fatigue, brain fog, headache, muscle pain and sleep problems — that can persist for weeks or months after the active infection has ended. The syndrome is poorly understood, but studies suggest that between 10 and 30 percent of adults who catch the virus may experience long Covid, including those who experienced only mild illness or no symptoms at all.
But the vast majority of data collected about long Covid has been in the unvaccinated population. The risk of developing long Covid for the fully vaccinated who get infected after vaccination hasn’t been studied.
While preliminary research suggests that it is, in fact, possible for a breakthrough case to lead to symptoms that can persist for weeks to months, there are still more questions than answers. What percent of breakthrough cases result in lingering symptoms? How many of those people recover? Are the persistent symptoms after breakthrough infection as severe as those that occur in the unvaccinated?
“I just don’t think there is enough data,” said Dr. Zijian Chen, medical director at the Center for Post-Covid Care at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. “It’s too early to tell. The population of people getting sick post vaccination isn’t that high right now, and there’s no good tracking mechanism for these patients.”
One recent study of Israeli health care workers published in the New England Journal of Medicine offers a glimpse of the risk of long Covid after a breakthrough infection. Among 1,497 fully vaccinated health care workers, 39 of them — about 2.6 percent — developed breakthrough infections. (All of the workers were believed to be infected after contact with an unvaccinated person, and the study was conducted before the Delta variant became dominant.)
While most of the breakthrough cases were mild or asymptomatic, seven out of 36 workers tracked at six weeks (19 percent) still had persistent symptoms. These long Covid symptoms included a mix of prolonged loss of smell, persistent cough, fatigue, weakness, labored breathing or muscle pain.
But the study’s authors caution against drawing too many conclusions from the research. The sample size — just seven patients — is small. And the research was designed to study antibody levels in the infected, said Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the infectious disease epidemiology unit at Sheba Medical Center. It was not designed to study the risk of long Covid after a breakthrough infection.
“It was not the scope of this paper,” Dr. Regev-Yochay said. “I don’t think we have an answer to that.”
Even so, the fact that one in five of the health care workers who had breakthrough infections still had lingering symptoms after six weeks appears to be the first indication from a peer-reviewed study that long Covid is possible after a breakthrough infection.
“People have said to me, ‘You’re fully vaccinated. Why are you being so careful?’” said Dr. Robert M. Wachter, professor and chair of the department of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. “I’m still in the camp of I don’t want to get Covid. I don’t want to get a breakthrough infection.”
Dr. Wachter said that despite the many limitations of the Israeli study, the data offer more evidence that the vaccinated should keep taking reasonable precautions to avoid the virus.
“I’m going to take it at face value that one in five people, six weeks after a breakthrough case, continued to feel crummy,” Dr. Wachter said. “That’s enough to make me want to wear two masks when I go into the grocery store, which is not that burdensome anyway.”
Complicating the study of breakthrough infections is the fact that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention only tracks post-vaccination infections that result in hospitalization or death. While the C.D.C. does continue to study breakthrough infections in several large cohorts, the lack of data on all breakthrough cases remains a source of frustration among scientists and patient advocacy groups.
“It’s very frustrating not to have data at this point in the pandemic to know what happens to breakthrough cases,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale School of Medicine who is conducting studies of long Covid. “If mild breakthrough infection is turning into long Covid, we don’t have a grasp of that number.”
Diana Berrent, founder of Survivor Corps, a Facebook group for people affected by Covid-19 that has about 171,000 members, took an informal poll and found 24 people who said they had lingering symptoms after a breakthrough infection. It’s not a scientific sample, and the cases haven’t been validated, but the poll shows the need for more data on breakthrough cases, Ms. Berrent said.
“You can’t extrapolate it to the general population, but it’s a very strong signal that the C.D.C. needs to be mandating reporting of every breakthrough case,” Ms. Berrent said. “We can’t know what we’re not counting.”
But some experts predict the surge of new cases caused by the spread of the Delta variant will, unfortunately, lead to more breakthrough cases in the coming months. Dr. Chen of Mount Sinai said it will take several months before patients with long Covid from a breakthrough infection are enrolled in studies.
“We’re waiting for these patients to show up at our doors,” Dr. Chen said.
Despite the lack of data, one thing is clear: Getting vaccinated will reduce the risk of getting infected and getting long Covid, said Athena Akrami, a neuroscientist at University College London who collected and published data from nearly 4,000 long Covid patients after developing long Covid herself after a March 2020 bout with Covid-19.
“It’s simple math,” said Dr. Akrami. “If you reduce infections, then the likelihood of long Covid will drop automatically.”
While the vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and death, the risk of developing post-Covid health problems after a breakthrough infection isn’t known.
By Tara Parker-Pope
Published Aug. 16, 2021Updated Aug. 26, 2021
While some breakthrough cases among those who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 are inevitable, they are unlikely to result in hospitalization or death. But one important question about breakthrough infection that remains unanswered is: Can the vaccinated develop so-called long Covid?
Long Covid refers to a set of symptoms — such as severe fatigue, brain fog, headache, muscle pain and sleep problems — that can persist for weeks or months after the active infection has ended. The syndrome is poorly understood, but studies suggest that between 10 and 30 percent of adults who catch the virus may experience long Covid, including those who experienced only mild illness or no symptoms at all.
But the vast majority of data collected about long Covid has been in the unvaccinated population. The risk of developing long Covid for the fully vaccinated who get infected after vaccination hasn’t been studied.
While preliminary research suggests that it is, in fact, possible for a breakthrough case to lead to symptoms that can persist for weeks to months, there are still more questions than answers. What percent of breakthrough cases result in lingering symptoms? How many of those people recover? Are the persistent symptoms after breakthrough infection as severe as those that occur in the unvaccinated?
“I just don’t think there is enough data,” said Dr. Zijian Chen, medical director at the Center for Post-Covid Care at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. “It’s too early to tell. The population of people getting sick post vaccination isn’t that high right now, and there’s no good tracking mechanism for these patients.”
One recent study of Israeli health care workers published in the New England Journal of Medicine offers a glimpse of the risk of long Covid after a breakthrough infection. Among 1,497 fully vaccinated health care workers, 39 of them — about 2.6 percent — developed breakthrough infections. (All of the workers were believed to be infected after contact with an unvaccinated person, and the study was conducted before the Delta variant became dominant.)
While most of the breakthrough cases were mild or asymptomatic, seven out of 36 workers tracked at six weeks (19 percent) still had persistent symptoms. These long Covid symptoms included a mix of prolonged loss of smell, persistent cough, fatigue, weakness, labored breathing or muscle pain.
But the study’s authors caution against drawing too many conclusions from the research. The sample size — just seven patients — is small. And the research was designed to study antibody levels in the infected, said Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the infectious disease epidemiology unit at Sheba Medical Center. It was not designed to study the risk of long Covid after a breakthrough infection.
“It was not the scope of this paper,” Dr. Regev-Yochay said. “I don’t think we have an answer to that.”
Even so, the fact that one in five of the health care workers who had breakthrough infections still had lingering symptoms after six weeks appears to be the first indication from a peer-reviewed study that long Covid is possible after a breakthrough infection.
“People have said to me, ‘You’re fully vaccinated. Why are you being so careful?’” said Dr. Robert M. Wachter, professor and chair of the department of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. “I’m still in the camp of I don’t want to get Covid. I don’t want to get a breakthrough infection.”
Dr. Wachter said that despite the many limitations of the Israeli study, the data offer more evidence that the vaccinated should keep taking reasonable precautions to avoid the virus.
“I’m going to take it at face value that one in five people, six weeks after a breakthrough case, continued to feel crummy,” Dr. Wachter said. “That’s enough to make me want to wear two masks when I go into the grocery store, which is not that burdensome anyway.”
Complicating the study of breakthrough infections is the fact that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention only tracks post-vaccination infections that result in hospitalization or death. While the C.D.C. does continue to study breakthrough infections in several large cohorts, the lack of data on all breakthrough cases remains a source of frustration among scientists and patient advocacy groups.
“It’s very frustrating not to have data at this point in the pandemic to know what happens to breakthrough cases,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale School of Medicine who is conducting studies of long Covid. “If mild breakthrough infection is turning into long Covid, we don’t have a grasp of that number.”
Diana Berrent, founder of Survivor Corps, a Facebook group for people affected by Covid-19 that has about 171,000 members, took an informal poll and found 24 people who said they had lingering symptoms after a breakthrough infection. It’s not a scientific sample, and the cases haven’t been validated, but the poll shows the need for more data on breakthrough cases, Ms. Berrent said.
“You can’t extrapolate it to the general population, but it’s a very strong signal that the C.D.C. needs to be mandating reporting of every breakthrough case,” Ms. Berrent said. “We can’t know what we’re not counting.”
But some experts predict the surge of new cases caused by the spread of the Delta variant will, unfortunately, lead to more breakthrough cases in the coming months. Dr. Chen of Mount Sinai said it will take several months before patients with long Covid from a breakthrough infection are enrolled in studies.
“We’re waiting for these patients to show up at our doors,” Dr. Chen said.
Despite the lack of data, one thing is clear: Getting vaccinated will reduce the risk of getting infected and getting long Covid, said Athena Akrami, a neuroscientist at University College London who collected and published data from nearly 4,000 long Covid patients after developing long Covid herself after a March 2020 bout with Covid-19.
“It’s simple math,” said Dr. Akrami. “If you reduce infections, then the likelihood of long Covid will drop automatically.”
Digger
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When they find that they are excluded from workplaces and venues it seems to change things around a lot.
Yeah I understand that they’d be marching in the streets there, but then they tried that here.
Digger
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There’s been a few double vaxxed here die but they usually had underlying conditions. The most common outcome is that the severity of the disease is reduced a lot with vaccination and effects last about a week. I’m not aware of “long Covid” for people in that category.
Raiyn
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At the risk of sounding political, there's a few more MyPillow owners running around here.
Digger
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At 6PM today Covid restrictions ease including the ban on travelling. In other words the Melbournians who have been locked up at home for 8 months or more can travel to the country areas as of later today.
It’s going to be a tidal wave of people coming into our area and for one I’m lying low! Covid infections will come to places where they haven’t been experienced before, including our small rural towns. Rural hospitals while prepared, just don’t have the resources to deal with high numbers of sick people, especially highly infectious ones.
Escapes from Melbourne will ignore many of the common sense requirements thinking things are back to normal, but of course they aren’t.
The other issue is that many haven’t driven a car for more than 5 kilometres over the lockdown period and I also expect to see a higher rate of vehicle accidents.
Am I a prophet of doom? You betcha!
It’s going to be a tidal wave of people coming into our area and for one I’m lying low! Covid infections will come to places where they haven’t been experienced before, including our small rural towns. Rural hospitals while prepared, just don’t have the resources to deal with high numbers of sick people, especially highly infectious ones.
Escapes from Melbourne will ignore many of the common sense requirements thinking things are back to normal, but of course they aren’t.
The other issue is that many haven’t driven a car for more than 5 kilometres over the lockdown period and I also expect to see a higher rate of vehicle accidents.
Am I a prophet of doom? You betcha!
I think that stuff like that is possible, but much less likely compared to being unvaccinated.
Raiyn
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SWMBO and I are scheduled for boosters next week. She's going first then I'll go a couple days later, just in case there's a reaction - can't both be down at the same time.
Digger
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I have to wait until January to reach 6 months since my second vaccination. This one should be Pfizer and having AstraZeneca before means I should get a bit extra immunity.
Digger
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We learned yesterday that our local rural city, Bairnsdale has 43 cases of Covid running. We were in there yesterday and go in regularly.
Scary stuff!
Scary stuff!
Raiyn
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My 6 months has come and gone and SWMBO is well past.
Then you get this shiz:
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...to-stop-biden-administrations-vaccine-mandate
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Because of the unavailibility of rooms and technicians, 9 weeks after I should have been in for a simple test and procedure I ended up in ER 2 weeks ago. Cancer has returned and my left shoulder arm and hand are kind of useless atm. Doc is giving me 60% chances of recovery. Keytruda followed by radiation. Due to the covid patient population, I spent first 3 days in an exam room on a gurny, no meals or liquid beyond enough water for pills and contrast fluid for tests. All prayers and thoughts welcome.
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OK this is a guitar thread, but since we're discussing covid, here's my story and what kind of clusterF this is:
Covid 19 is 99.xx% curable. Natural immunity trumps vaccines any day. The vaccines are bs, and they fund big pharma, big tech, politicians, and we get screwed. I'm 58, and my wife and I came down with it, yes it sucked big time, but we eat healthy, get sunshine, vitamin D, and felt much better a week later. The WORST part was loss of taste, pure water tasted like seawater. The only thing that we could enjoy was yogurt with blueberries, or strawberries, any meat, cooked veggies, yuck. Pure torture, we're foodies. Our government has absolutely no connection with the people, illegal immigration, monetary inflation trillion dollars money printing CRT. Now the kids, they are .01 % vulnerable. It's a shame to see them walking around alone on the street wearing masks with no one around, heads down. I have no problem with anyone getting vaccinated, but it's our individual choice, and this herd immunity discussion is bunk. The vaccinated are shedding and infecting others. Two Friends came down with it and with online medical consultancy with frontlinemds , with IVM & HDCLQ were cured in 5 days. This is my experience, your results may vary. Stay healthy, get sunshine, vitamin D, breathe fresh are and enjoy life without fear.
Covid 19 is 99.xx% curable. Natural immunity trumps vaccines any day. The vaccines are bs, and they fund big pharma, big tech, politicians, and we get screwed. I'm 58, and my wife and I came down with it, yes it sucked big time, but we eat healthy, get sunshine, vitamin D, and felt much better a week later. The WORST part was loss of taste, pure water tasted like seawater. The only thing that we could enjoy was yogurt with blueberries, or strawberries, any meat, cooked veggies, yuck. Pure torture, we're foodies. Our government has absolutely no connection with the people, illegal immigration, monetary inflation trillion dollars money printing CRT. Now the kids, they are .01 % vulnerable. It's a shame to see them walking around alone on the street wearing masks with no one around, heads down. I have no problem with anyone getting vaccinated, but it's our individual choice, and this herd immunity discussion is bunk. The vaccinated are shedding and infecting others. Two Friends came down with it and with online medical consultancy with frontlinemds , with IVM & HDCLQ were cured in 5 days. This is my experience, your results may vary. Stay healthy, get sunshine, vitamin D, breathe fresh are and enjoy life without fear.
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