Epi Casino too hot!

Discussion in 'Epiphone Guitars' started by Donthecon, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. Donthecon

    Donthecon New Member

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    Hi everyone

    I recently bought an Epiphone Casino, and while I both absolutely love the looks of it (Pau Ferro looked amazing), the acoustic sound and its playability/feel (the edges of the binding were nicely rolled and I love the slimtaper D neck, reminds me of my old spanish guitar), I was having a few issues both with some rattling from the bridge/hardware (including the bridge pickup vibrating) when strumming, the pickup toggle switch being loose, but most importantly the sound of the pickups.

    I found them to be very hot and muddy, especially the neck pickup, with rumbling noises coming out of the amp when playing the bass strings. I tried to adjust the EQ on the amp, but it didn't help significantly. I have a cheap 20w Harley Benton amp, but my fender Strat sounds clean with every setting. I have heard complaints about the pickups in the casinos being overwound, but didn't expect them to be this muddy. It's a shame because I really bonded with the guitar, but I think I might have to return it and get an Epiphone ES-335 that came out a few months ago. I know they are 2 completely different guitars, but I've heard the humbuckers are lower output compared to the casino p90s.

    Would you also have returned the casino if you didn't bond with the pickups even though the playability was perfect? And has anyone had any experience with the new ES-335's?

    Thank you for taking the time!
     
  2. soulman969

    soulman969 Well-Known Member

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    First of all welcome.

    P90s respond very nicely to changes in volume. Lower their volume enough and a Casino can sound almost like an acoustic. Since there's no way to lower dog ear P90s the volume pots are your friend. Remember the Casino is a full hollow body guitar and the body will resonate if you're using too much volume too close to the amp. That could also be where some of your rumbling is coming from.

    An ES335 won't help you. Humbuckers tend to be more woolly and dark than P90s. While powerful the P90s on a Casino have plenty of high end sparkle. Cut back on the neck volume a bit if you want to reduce lows and keep your tone pots dialed in for more highs. Don't run everything wide open. Balance tonality with both volume and tone pots.

    As for the amp if it's that little 20w HB-20B I'd suggest running the master high and the gain quite low to give you the cleanest signal possible. Too much gain may be the cause of your problem especially with hotter pickups so roll it back and use the master for volume control. Don't sit to close to the speaker when playing louder. You'll get rumbling and feedback.

    Not being at all familiar with the tone stack of that amp all I can tell you is to work at adjusting both the low and mid settings. Between the amp and the tone pots on the guitar you should be able to remove almost all of the lows. If not either your doing something wrong or the guitar is bad.

    Don't even think about comparing a Strat to a Casino. It's like comparing and elephant to a zebra. They're nothing alike tonally. Not even close cousins. Try all of the above and see where that gets you. There is also the option of putting lower output P90s in the Casino but try the rest first and report back.
     
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    Donthecon New Member

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    Thank you for the welcoming and thanks a bunch for your advice!

    You're right about comparing the casino to my Strat. Being my only other electric guitar, I forgot that not all guitars should sound like that.

    I tried to play with the pots and tried playing the guitar through my focusrite audio interface instead of the amp - massive difference!! Need me a new amp, but definitely keeping the guitar!
     
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    soulman969 Well-Known Member

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    If I had only $1000 to spend on a guitar and an amp I'd make sure 2/3 of it was spent on a very good amp. Even a $3000 guitar is gonna sound crappy through a bad sounding amp.

    I'd suggest looking into a 50w BOSS Katana combo. For the money (around $200) you'll find it's one of the most versatile and great sounding small amps made. Play one when you can.

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...-mk2-50-25-0.5-watt-1x12-inch-cosm-combo-amp?
     
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    Supersonic Well-Known Member

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    I agree with your logic but if I have 2/3 of $1000 to buy an amp with, it's gonna have tubes in it. :thumb:
     
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    Ummmm.....maybe. There are few SS amps I would spend $650-$700 but a Roland Blues Cube would be one of them. :D
     
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    I was going to respond in pretty much the same way. P90s don't seem to have the same treble drop-off that other pickups have when you lower the volume. There are many sweet spots on the volume taper. It seems I am just recently discovering just how versatile a Casino can be. The other day I figured out how to approximate the Strat neck/middle sound. I had the neck volume on about 7, the bridge volume on about 3 and the toggle in the middle. I've also used my Casino instead of an acoustic guitar at some gigs. For those I had both volumes on about 3. With the output that low it really clears up the mids and lets the guitar's natural tone shine through.
     
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