Epiphone Brent Hinds Flying V vs Gibson Custom V

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  1. DaveInSoCal

    DaveInSoCal Well-Known Member

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    Hey everybody!!
    So I just bought the Epiphone Brent Hinds Flying V and I've had it for about a week now and I can tell you this guitar is flawless!

    As you can see below this is based off of the V Custom, there is a HUGE price difference as expected. So my question is Epiphone selling a $4000 guitar for $900 or is Gibson selling a $900 guitar for $4000??

    I did not get a case with the Epi, and the Gibson does include the case.

    And yes I know about the tone wood / Nitro / multiple pieces of wood differences between Gibson and Epi. But when your playing hard rock in a live situation those don't come into play, at least in my experience.

    What do you all think??

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    $899.00 MSRP $1499.00 @ Sweetwater
    Epiphone Limited Edition Brent Hinds Flying V Custom Guitar Specifications
    • Body Material: Mahogany
    • Neck Material: Mahogany
    • Neck Shape: "1958" Rounded Profile
    • Neck Joint: Set-Neck, Glued In
    • Truss Rod Cover: Bell Shaped, 2-Layer (Black/White) "Brent Hinds" in White
    • Truss Rod: Adjustable
    • Scale Length: 24.75"
    • Fingerboard Material: Ebony
    • Fingerboard Inlay: Pearloid "Block"
    • Frets: 22 Medium-Jumbo
    • Headstock Inlay: Pearloid "Split Diamond" with "Epiphone" Logo
    • Neck Pickup: Lace® USA Brent Hinds Signature Hammer Claws™ Humbucker
    • Bridge Pickup: Lace® USA Brent Hinds Signature Hammer Claws™ Humbucker
    • Controls: 3-Way Pickup Selector, 1-Neck Pickup Volume, 1-Bridge Pickup Volume, 1-Master Tone
    • Knobs: Black "Top Hats" with Metal Inserts
    • Binding: Body Top- 7*Layer, Headtsock-5-Layer, Fingerboard-1-Layer
    • Fingerboard Radius: 12"
    • Bridge: Epiphone LockTone™ Tune-o-matic
    • Tailpiece: Traditional "V" String-thru Body
    • Nut Width: 1-11/16"
    • Nut: Imitation Bone
    • Hardware: Nickel
    • Machine Heads: Grover® Rotomatics™, 18:1 Ratio
    • Pickguard: 5-Layer
    • Output Jack: 1/4" Epiphone Heavy-Duty, 3-Layer Jack Plate
    • Other: "2016" Limited Edition Logo and Brent Hinds "Skull" Logo on Back of Headstock
    • Case: Optional Epiphone Deluxe V Style #EPI EV CASE
    • Warranty: Epiphone Limited Lifetime

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    $4199.00 MSRP $5951.00 @ Sweetwater

    Gibson Flying V Custom Guitar Specifications
    • Body Type:Solidbody
    • Body Shape:Flying V
    • Left-/Right-handed:Right-handed
    • Number of Strings:6
    • Body Material:Mahogany
    • Body Finish:Nitrocellulose Lacquer
    • Color:Ebony
    • Neck Material:Mahogany
    • Neck Shape:Medium C profile
    • Fingerboard Material:Richlite
    • Fingerboard Inlay:pearloid blocks
    • Number of Frets:22, Medium Jumbo, rolled binding
    • Scale Length:24.75"
    • Nut Width:1.687"
    • Nut Material:Corian
    • Bridge/Tailpiece:Tune-o-matic bridge with stopbar tailpiece
    • Tuners:Grover Kidney tuners
    • Neck Pickup:490R Humbucker
    • Bridge Pickup:498T Humbucker
    • Controls:2 x volume, 1 x master tone, 3-way toggle pickup switch
    • Strings:10-46
    • Case Included:Hardshell case
    • Manufacturer Part Number:CSFVCPSL11050
     
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  2. Davis Sharp

    Davis Sharp Well-Known Member

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    It looks like a bad-ass metal guitar. Try not to hurt anyone with it. HNGD!
     
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  3. Paruwi

    Paruwi Kraut-Rocker

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    I'd say Gibson is selling a $2000 guitar for $4000

    Congrats on your new €pi
    :applause::applause:
     
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  4. Keefoman

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    I would guess the Epi is "the better buy" between these two, even with multiple piece body and neck on the Epi, as it's already got some upgraded parts from a standard Epi. Personally, I guess the Lace pickups aren't for me, but for your purpose, I'm sure they are fine. I'm not a huge fan of the Gibson 490R and 498T either, so...

    The Epi locktone TOM bridge leaves a little to be desired IMO, but it doesn't cost a lot to replace it with something of a little better quality like Faber.

    A CS Gibson will never defend itself as three, four, five, six times better than similar lower priced guitars, but then again, no expensive guitar is, but that's not really the point.

    Happy New V-day, and I guess you'll have lot's of great moments with this one! The silverburst is surely a killer finish! :)
     
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    If you like the guitar, nothing else matters. so Enjoy it in good health.:cheers:
    and no, the woods and finish do not cost 3k more... like lets say they are even

    Ebony > processed paper
    woods... if it's chinese and has Toona wood, then it's mahogany alright.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meliaceae
    if it's meranti, then it's poser mahogany for you, but if it rocks so what?

    Gibson is trying to appeal to collectors... with paper fretboards and plastic inlays...
    They are too busy corking their sniffs I guess? :dunno:

    @Peter, lets say that the Gibson custom is 1700 tops... it's not like it has anything special going for it...
    Only a custom inlay, some more plastic than a normal 1300€ one.
    Oh almost forgot the fairy dust....
     
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    That Epi V seems like a sweet looking guitar. I like the ebony fret board feature on it.


    ;>)/
     
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  7. DaveInSoCal

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    I am really happy with it, I'll never be able to afford / justify the Gibson so this Epi is as good as it gets for me! :dude:
     
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    You know what?, I'm all for quality over affordability, as long as the price makes sense.
    Though those 2 can coexist pretty good.
    If I were you I would get a regular Gibson V, 900$ for an Asian Guitar is not a great deal either.

    Since you seem to like the custom looks and the instrument itself.
    I believe you got the better guitar of the 2.
    That Gibson doesn't worth a Penny more than a regular V to me.
    If it had an archtop and beautiful woods in trans finishes, I would see it for the novelty-collectabilty.

    Instead You would trade good fretboard wood (ebony) for mashed up paper and body wood (Epi has smaller binding) for plastic for an insane pricetag. You would pay more for less.
     
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  9. Raiyn

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    Bottom line @DaveInSoCal it's a sweet guitar, there are a couple relatively minor things that I'd change, but considering I normally tear everything off my axes that's high praise.

    It's been on my list for a while, I'm a bit jealous.
     
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    Beautiful guitar!
    IMO the Gibson is way over priced compared to the epiphone
     
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    We should always compare and apple to and apple so the this guitar as a MSRP of 1499.99 and adding in the case at 119.99 is 1,619.98.
    There are some items that are different, the pick ups, the fretboard marital, Bindings and of course the paint itself.
    There is also a different neck profile to add in to the mix, and most likely the grade of electrical parts used. (I.E. switches, pots and wiring)

    The real cost difference here in the very labor incentive nitro paint. Unless you have worked in a shop that does this, you have no idea just how long and how many steps it take to get a prefect nitro paint job.
    Then there is also the Mahogany it is made from, I highly doubt there the same type of grade.

    In the end, you would have to A/B them out your amp and ask yourself.....Is this one worth 2580.00 more then the other one?

    That is only something that you can answer to yourself. I have one nitro guitar in my collection, after years without one, it is taking some getting used to the feel of it again.
    It almost makes the guitar feel more fragile then my other ones.
    But it's all about the feel and the playability and how and where you plan to use this.
    If your a home player, either will do, let you checkbook be your guide. If you are in a band and gig small venues, the Epi would be a better choice It sucks to get a guitar stolen, it hurts even more if it cost as much as your car. If your band is one that records and such and your playing larger venues (With solid security) then the one that wins in playoff above should be the right call, unless you want one for recording and one for the show, then get both.
     
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    John Well-Known Member

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    Congrats. What a beauty. I like the Epi.....
     
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    The thing comes with neck profile copied from a Gibby '58 V, an ebony board and friggen Lace Pickups man! Not cheap BS Probuckers. If he decides to upgrade the pots, switch and jack what's he out? Less than $40?
    A fragile finish that you have to obsess over lest you mistakenly use a clip on tuner a bit too long or set it in a stand.
    Leo was right when he went Poly.
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    Let the man enjoy his sweet new axe!
     
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    I don't plan on doing any upgrades to this one, I like it as is, plus I have other guitars I'm working on.

    So anyway, my wife saw my Epi Brent Hinds V when I bought it as I raved to her about how great it was. She was cool with it even though I spent more $$ than I usually would on a guitar.

    So on this past Sunday she walks in on me sanding the crap out of the cheap knockoff V that I bought on CL, all of the pieces, bridge, tuners, pickups etc piled up on my desk. She almost fainted when she saw that! :rofl:She thought I was "reworking" my Epi!

    Poor SWMBO!
     
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    I can only imagine.
     
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    No judgement here! I'd probably put a set of Hipshot locking tuners on her and call it a day myself. Maybe look at some different knobulators, but that's probably it.
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    Something like that?
     
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    DaveInSoCal Well-Known Member

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    That pretty much nailed it!!
     
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    Mine would be a bit more "stabby" if I was sanding down what she thought was a brand new $900 axe.
     
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    He was (THE O P) asking about the difference between the two. Some player do not care for that fat 58 neck and might want the modern C shape. As to the pick up, I was only pointing out that they were different, nothing else.

    Wrong Mr. Know it all, it was in late 1969 into the early 70s that CBS made the derision to switch to Poly paint, The reasons were because of emissions regulations and to cut cost as poly is much easier to shoot and took far less time get through finishing.
    Leo had sold then company in 1965 and by 1971 he was starting Music Man.
    When I worked there in the early 1980's, we still made runs of nitro painted guitars, but they were the top of the line high dollar models and we could only shoot a set amount that the state would let us.
    But some player feel it breaths better and it lets them get in-touch with there instrument better.

    At what point did I suggest he not? He asked a question, I gave a dispassionate overview, not suggesting one was better then the other laid out the differences and suggested he try both and then ask himself if the Gibby is worth 2800 more or not and that he is the only one who could make that call.
     
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    Fine, CBS was right.
     

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