Pickups?

Discussion in 'Epiphone Guitars' started by Steven Westberg, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. grinwer

    grinwer Active Member

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    I have ProBuckers 2 and 3. Now I want to try the P-94 in the neck. It's strange that I haven't looked at them before.
     
  2. IGRocker

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    Wizz :cool:

    For the average Joe, I really like the Stew Mac Parsons Street humbuckers. I’d buy another set of them in a heartbeat if I had a need for another vintage set of pickups.
     
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    The Guitar Madness ones a real good. Comparing them side to side with genuine Gibson P94, I prefered the GM.
     
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    Gibson Les Paul Standard 60s Burstbucker 61R 61T PICKUPS POTS KNOBS Alnico
     
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    Really. I would think it wouldn’t matter. Does it filter better?
     
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    Perfect!
     
  9. Steven Westberg

    Steven Westberg Well-Known Member

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    I would be interested in your explanation.
     
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    G400.jpg Carvin S22J (neck) S22B (bridge). Like 'em better than the stockers.
     
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    Fullmoon 1971 Well-Known Member

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    I would love to hear your expalanation also. I have 35 years as a electrical engineer and guitar luthier / pickup maker, so a theory discounting my advice would interesting.
     
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  12. Raiyn

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    I don't know that he was necessarily discounting your advice. {EDIT} There was some context I missed due to an ignored post.

    I know from my own experience that different values of pots and caps have an effect. Quality as measured by tolerance to spec means more to me than construction as far as I'm concerned towards caps. I'll admit I am partial to metallized film caps from particular brands but largely because they come in the values and tolerances I'm looking for at a reasonable price.
     
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  13. Antigua

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    Assuming that the stock wiring is within spec, then replacing the pots, wiring and caps has no electrical effect, beneficial or otherwise.

    The only thing the wiring harness can do to hurt the sound is improperly load the pickups by having pots that are either way above or below spec. If the humbuckers or P-90's sound best with 500k pots, then anything more than 20% outside of that will make the pickups sound either muffled or shrill. Whether the pots are dime or quarter sized makes no difference. Some pots have a better log tapers than others, but there's no evidence that the stock pots have a bad log tapper, or that replacement pots would have a better taper. So if the pots are bad, that's one thing, but you'd first have to determine that they're bad. The dime and quarter pots fail for the same reason, the wiper can become oxidized, the only way to prevent it would be to used enclosed potentiometers, but I haven't even seen such a thing offered for guitar controls.

    The quality of the wire that is in between the controls is irrelevant, because even hair thin wire presents a very low series resistance, and even there was significant series resistance, it would still be trivial compared the series resistance of the pickup.

    Some people believe PIO caps are better than ceramic, that's a debate unto itself, and I think replacing the caps is as much a waste of time as replacing anything else, but it's a lot less invasive than replacing all the wiring, if that's all you do.

    I think the idea of quality wiring originates from how 50's guitars were wired, with parts used in guitar amps that are rated to handle a much higher amperage than electric guitars are subject to, so the hookup wire, quarter sized pots, and chunky capacitors are unnecessarily large for the task at hand, and even though the small import style wiring is more appropriate, the guitar community turns it into a quality issue, which it isn't. In fact the voltages are so tiny, the little surface mount parts could be used, and it still wouldn't be detrimental to the sound.

    Import guitars have had cause to sound bad, but it's usually due to the pickups, not the wiring. The ProBuckers are high quality though, if an Epi has them, then there's nothing to be objectively gained by replacing any of the electronics.
     
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    Yikes...what did I stumble onto...?

    Aaaaaanyways,

    I put Pearly Gates in my Epi 2020 SG Standard. Because I like how they sound. And I don't need a credential for that.

    EDIT: Oh I forgot...I have the original P-90s in my Casino. They sound great.
     
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    You'll be burned at the stake spiked with paper in oil capacitors !
     
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    I have an Epiphone LPC , installed a 16.9 k ohms Dragon Fire Screamer bridge pickup, added a
    Wilkinson Roller Bridge and put a Schaller tailpiece with fine tuners.

    Last month, I reinstalled the original bridge 14.20k ohms puckup in the neck position ....so far I love it. I added a Seymour Duncan Triple Shot pickup ring for the neck position ....LOVE IT LOVE IT ....LOVE IT !!!!
     
  17. grinwer

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    I agree with you. There is a lot of psychoacoustics in this.
    Entrepreneurs quickly turned it into a business.
    For the gullible and the gullible, it has become a religion.
    Despite revealing facts and tests.
    Gold-plated connectors, rag-wrapped wires, antique capacitors, and stuff like that. )
    PS: Everyone has their own ears and their own head.
     
  18. The Convert

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    To be fair, depending on the application, there is a legitimate electronic use for gold in connectors. Corrosion is a real thing.

    Also, I wouldn’t label everyone who participates as gullible. If your gear serves the purpose only as a tool, I’d agree it’s extraneous and not worth the money, but most guitar players are amateurs and collectors, and for them, they like what they like, even if it sounds impressive or looks pretty.

    im not so into cars anymore, but I’d bet a lot of stuff in a Lexus isn’t necessary and ramps up the price, but it’s only worth it or not worth it based on the owner’s enjoyment of it. I don’t see how this is any different. Buy what you like for the reasons you like. There’s no shame here.
     
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  19. soulman969

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    But they can be useful for tanning lighter finishes. ;)

    Count me as another who has never discovered any audible difference when I've replaced import electronics. I might agree that they have a shorter life expectancy simply because I have replaced what has failed but the guitar or bass sounded no different or better after any upgrades in the electronics. It's more a linear vs audio taper decision.

    My thinking is purely based on longevity. If I'm gonna replace some pots or a switch or a jack I may as well spend a few bucks more for better quality and not have a need to do it again. With caps it's mostly about tolerance not the composition. I've used PIO, Orange Drops, Chicklets and even tiny ceramic caps. Any audible difference is negligible.
     
  20. soulman969

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    I agree with you as far as the "play what you like" concept of gear ownership but that's not what was debated.

    It's strictly whether or not higher quality electronics have an audible impact on tonality. I guess if someone believes that's true then for them it is but others of us have not experienced that and we often say so. Different sides of the same coin.
     

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