Tossing it all

Discussion in 'Epiphone Guitars' started by The Convert, Apr 9, 2021.

  1. imnotcreative

    imnotcreative Active Member

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    for me i found the les paul the most comfortable to play. Non weight relieved bodys are heavy yes, with weight relief i dont find them to be heavier than any other brands i've tried.
    tunability, my epi g400 i've only had to tune once after i fixed it up again in januari. the detuning of the G and D strings on my les paul bfg was solved after a proper setup, stretching the strings and putting some graphite in the nut.
    the only problem i've had so far is the neckdive on my g400. but on my SG tribute it doesn't happen. so i'll mostly use my g400 sitting down. and after about 17/18 years the headstock and neck are perfectly fine, no crack or breaks. in my opinion that is most likely up to the way you treat them.
    upper fret access on my les paul isnt much of a problem since i don't really play above the 17th fret.

    i'd still like to get me a strat, but not with the regular fender tremolo system or hardtail. i used to have a mexican made strat years ago, the problem i had was i want the action to be as low as possible which in turn makes the screws on the saddles stick out a little(atleast it did on mine) and me strumming with my hand very close to the strings i cut my hand on those screws a couple of times which was unpleasant.
    a strat with a tune-o-matic bridge and tailpiece i still want to try. but for the moment i don't plan on buying any guitars soon.
     
  2. Supersonic

    Supersonic Well-Known Member

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    THIS!
     
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  3. soulman969

    soulman969 Well-Known Member

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    Me too.....Balsamic Vinaigrette OK with y'all?

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  4. grinwer

    grinwer Active Member

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    I like Epi / Gibi Les Paul and ES for its sound. The view also matters. No setup problem. If you know and be able to.
    PRS, LTD, Ibanez - These are different guitars, a different sound, a different aura. They are absolutely indifferent to me. It's not a good or bad question. This is a matter of personal taste and preference.

    Bad design? I've heard that about all guitars and all parts of guitars. Tremolo, Fretboard Radius, Stratocaster Volume Knob. Midle pickup. Not so the handles are located. Neckdive on SG. Big list. ))

    Construction and weight Les Paul is part of the sound. If you are able to hear and this is important to you.

    Can your PRS sound like this? Watch from 11.09 ((The forum cuts out the start time. )
    Three guitars are recorded at the same amp settings.


    Yes, Epi has quality problems sometimes. I'm sorry. But I stay.

    Don't torture yourself, sell your Epi / Gibi. They're just not your guitars. Someone will be very happy with your Casino.

    Good luck. Bye.

    35 years of torment, oh oh oh! mamma mia!
     
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  5. IGRocker

    IGRocker Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts to a T, only more eloquently phrased, lacking both sarcasm and childishness. :cheers:
     
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  6. Raiyn

    Raiyn Well-Known Member

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    Shim the neck.

    EDIT:
    Occasionally, in the short time I've known @The Convert , he's had little flares like this and usually he either takes a break or he simmers down on his own. There may also be something going on in the background that he's not sharing that this whole thing might just be a proxy for. The last year hasn't exactly been stress-free as many of us well know.

    Having said that, can we maybe just let the guy have his opinion without breaking out the pitchforks and piling on? He made a decision about what he likes that apparently took him a long time to reach. Just because you (or I) don't (fully) agree doesn't make him fundamentally wrong, after all- guitars are subjective. He's made it quite clear he's not looking for validation or endorsement.

    I don't know that I would have posted his comments on the shitheap that MLP has devolved into, but of late ET has been a more chill and accepting place so perhaps he felt safer voicing his opinion here. I don't know, but what I do know is that we're capable of being better than this. The fellowship we attained in the Covid thread should surely indicate that especially if you've seen how other boards dealt with the subject.

    How about instead of writing a long diatribe about how he's wrong, or resorting to childish insults we take the high road for once and just let the guy vent? It's pretty obvious (to me, but I've been wrong before) that's what he was trying to do.

    Despite politics for the last four years you don't win disagreements with schoolyard jibes.
     
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  7. Davis Sharp

    Davis Sharp Well-Known Member

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  8. The Convert

    The Convert Well-Known Member

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    I am cooling down. May or may not come back. As I wrote in my first post, regardless of the guitars, I like many people here and intended to stay. (clearly not in love with everyone.)

    “love it or leave it” has never been an acceptable defense of aggression to me and I cannot conceive personally of a person who feels so threatened by criticism of something they may own. I have blocked everyone who has responded in this way.

    With some space behind me, I do really feel like I shared a personal decision with a group of people who I thought would be thoughtful and empathetic. With few exceptions, it seems I grossly miscalculated.

    so I’m in a position where I have a choice: either stay in a community that has been markedly and unjustifiably mean-spirited, or lose contact again with a handful of good people who I like.

    I will figure out what works for me, but aside from Davis and Raiyn, I don’t see anyone (myself included) who should feel all that proud of themselves.

    Take care, friends.
     
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    Davis Sharp Well-Known Member

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    Let's just leave it there and move on. Give everyone time to sort things out on their own. Please.
     
  10. Antigua

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    PRS are not the same thing. They took some ideas from Fender, and to me they feel sort of like a carved top Fender. So you have no use in your life for the entire line of fine HH and P-90 offerings from Gibson / Epiphone, but variety among PRS is a lot smaller, and I think some day you tire of them too, and will long for the flawed feel of Gibsons. It's what gives them character, they push back at you, make you play differently that you might otherwise. I have lots of guitars to play besides Epiphones, and so I agree with everything you're saying, and a few months might go by where I don't play them much, but then their time comes around again. You just can't get the same experience from anything else (Gibson / Epi clones excluded), and it's a worthwhile experience to enough guitar players that they're still very powerful brands on the market. A lot of it is because it's a familiar guitar, I'll admit that, but what is anybody going to do about that now? It's a familiarity that seems to have renewed with every next generation for the past fifty to sixty years.

    PRS also cost more, if I were a Gibson guy, I could understand, why am I paying more for so much less, but then again we're on an Epiphone forum, and Epis are not known for their high sticker prices.

    Regarding the robo tuners, I don't read that the same way, Gibson could try other things, like roller bearing nuts and locking string ends, it doesn't have to be an electronic device, but Gibson's customers want none of it. The robo tuner thing was as much of a mistake anything could be. Gibson customers even complain about the unseen, weight relief, the neck heel joint, the PCB style wiring, even the perfectly fine 57 Classics. But that's another reason I'm an Epiphone devotee, there's far far less adherence to flawed authenticity in the Epi product lines. You get a lot more variety, at a lower price.
     
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  11. AJ6stringsting

    AJ6stringsting Well-Known Member

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    Another thing Epiphone headstock had going over a Gibson headstock, was the old Epi headstock had the A ,D,G and B string more centered / inline with the necks string path.

    That other factor gave an Epiphone more stability than a Gibson.
     
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  12. AJ6stringsting

    AJ6stringsting Well-Known Member

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    I have Jacksons, 80's Kramer's, Fenders, Squires, FrankenStrats .... I have Gibsons and Epiphones.

    I love the variety those guitars that bring out different facets in my playing .... My Floyd Rose equipped, single coil Strats and other make play different.

    I hope the OP, finds some kind of inner peace .
     
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  13. Old Woody

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    Yeah , I hear you , I just bought an ESP Xtone (It's on back order, I will post pictures and a review when it arrives) my other choice was one of the new Harmony models as reviews are good in the end it was a toss up. The fix for Gibson is obvious just look at Ernie Ball Musicman headstocks 4 strings one side 2 on the other but, as you say Gibson customers wouldn't go for it. I currently own a Gibson Firebird and I'm not gonna sell it. My son's can fight over it when I'm gone. Just a quick addition to your Page story (He's the reason I picked up a guitar in the late 70's) He has said that he used lots of different guitars in the studio but mainly Telecasters thru small overdriven amps. My take on brand loyalty is this if it has strings on it and inspires you to play then play the Hell out of it.
     
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  14. imnotcreative

    imnotcreative Active Member

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    i might give that a try next time i get my hands on a strat. i'm not planning on buying any more gear anytime soon. i already bought 4 guitars and an amp this year. I might be able to borrow a spare strat from a friend and give it a try.


    back to the OP:
    from reading the first sentence in your post i assume you aren't completely sure you really want to get rid of it all.
    I'd find out which of the guitars you like most and just keep it for a while longer. Just in case you ever feel like picking up an Epi or Gibson again.
    Feelings interests and preference change over time. Just don't make any rushed decicions which you might regret later.
    Remember, there once was a time where something sparked your love and interest for these guitars. It might be far away at the moment but maybe someday something might rekindle the love again. Then atleast you still have one to enjoy.
     
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    Sell me your crummy type 1 & 2 chainsaw cases please..they wont play nice nice with your PRS es...
     
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  16. Mark302De

    Mark302De New Member

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    Go ahead sell them and get as much as you can but for me I love my Epiphone Les Paul's
    They belong to you and if that's your decision then go for it nobody here is going to talk you out of it
    In glad you finally found the guitar you fell in love with
     
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    Mark302De New Member

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    Let me know how much you are asking for the guitars you want to sell and I'm sure someone here might be interested in them
    Enjoy your PRS
     
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    littlebadboy Well-Known Member

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    I understand the frustration of the OP. I decided to stick to one guitar that I am happy with, and dispose the others.

    May you find your "This is it!" guitar and be happy with it.
     
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  19. The Convert

    The Convert Well-Known Member

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    Haven’t had a chance to figure pricing yet. I already liquidated my Gibson SGs. I would ballpark given the current sellers market:

    Gibson Classic LP $1400-1600
    Gibson One-Off Custom LP $2100-2500
    Epiphone ‘20 SG Std $300-350
    Epiphone Casino $450-500

    all have hard cases

    But I’m not really ready to sell at this moment. Busy times lately.
     
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    The Convert Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I played Telecasters only from 1985-2000. They will always be special to me. I have 4 I think right now.

    But the PRS CE is probably the best guitar I’ve ever played. It isn’t a replacement for any guitar...it’s its own thing. But in many measures it sits between Gibson and Fender so it’s easy to slip into for me.

    I still am keeping some guitars of other makes, as they have their own character, but not for everyday play.

    thanks again.
     

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